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  Be very glad you don't live next door to me.

  by Lady Lee in

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  in the last 7 years 3 neighbors have died.

  all were not expected.. when i lived in winnipeg our neighbor died.

  he was healthy one day and gone the next.

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  Gee I'm kind of scared to even post on your threads now!
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  Putting the 'probability argument' against abiogenesis in the grave once and for all

  by bohm in

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  amongst the many arguments for and against creation the probability arguments stands out.

  the improbability of generating the necessary proteins by chanceor the genetic information to produce themto balloon beyond comprehension.

  ... the odds of getting even one functional protein of modest length (150 amino acids) by chance from a prebioitc soup is no better than 1 chance in 10164. meyer continues, another way to say that is the probability of finding a functional protein by chance alone is a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion times smaller than the odds of finding a single specific particle among all the particles in the universe.. the evidence for the probability of origin of life arising from darwins warm little pond seems to have vanished beyond the realm of any possibilityregardless of any early earth scenario.. i really, really want to put it in the grave because i think its an embaressment to the theists and thinking humans in general; its right up there with 'noahs ark has been found' and 'humans have less chromosomes than monkeys', but for some reason people dont see through it.

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  Aniron: In exactly the same way as you think God became a thinking being!

  Bohm: Interesting argument and quite logical. When the numbers become astronomical, people's minds tend not to be able to comprehend them and they just dismiss them as impossible.

  It reminds me of some of the arguments in the "Creation" book, such as the one about the astronomical odds of the 17 parts of a meat grinder being shaken around and becoming assembled. We do have many assembled, working meat grinders on this planet, and we know that certain forces of placement were necessary to put them in position and maintain them (human hands using the laws of physics). The egocentric error in logic that creationists derive from this simple truth, is that the laws of physics cannot exert forces upon other substances in this universe without the manipulation of human intelligence or the manipulation of a human like God man has created in his own image.

  Another similar line of reasoning by JW's is the astronomical odds of all the right conditions for the existence of organic life occurring on this planet. (being just the right distance from the sun, the right temperature, oxygen, water, etc?) Since none of the other planets we know of have these conditions, that proves it must have been designed, right? Wrong!

  The odds may be in the trillions, but in fact there are trillions of planets. This planet does not exist because God created it for us with the the perfect conditions for organic life to thrive on. Organic life exists, we exist, because this planet happens to be the one in a trillionth planet that is positioned by the forces of physics, where organic life can survive and thrive. If it should be displaced by those same forces sometimes in the future, then we can kiss our arses goodbye, but I'm sure the theists will all claim God is angry and it is Armageddon.

  It is really a simple, but very common, flaw of logic, which confuses cause and effect and is due to the very egocentric view of humans that they are central to the universe and a greater plan "out there". Humans have trouble coping with the seemingly random nature of birth, life and death and a universe and God that doesn't seem to care about us. This causes them to invent many explanations to account for the supposed randomness. However, as you pointed out, what seems to be random is really not, it is the laws of physics at work, and just because humans as of yet do not always understand those physical causes, does not mean God did it!
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  have you ever met someone famous?

  by rockmehardplace in

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  i was thinking of a few celebrities i have met over the years -.

  neil diamond, matt damon, terry bradshaw, robert downey jr to name a few..

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  I talked to Moses (Charleton Heston) on the phone once when I was a receptionist at an accounting firm. I got the impression he was disappointed that I didn't scream and drop the phone from the excitement and privilege of it! He kept repeating who he was as if I didn't hear him the first time. He was even more disappointed when the accountant he wanted to talk to was too busy to take his call! lol

  In Canada, we are more likely to get off on making celebrities wait in line like everyone else than we are at meeting them.

  I had lunch with Hillary Step today. He's kind of famous on this discussion forum. Does that count?

  Celebrity is rather subjective. I haven't heard of half the people some of you have listed.
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  Closing the barn door after the horses have fled

  by jgnat in

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  this "news" is months late and i post it now simply because i don't want to let the moment slip by.

  these are direct quotes from david pesch at the edmonton 2009 "keep on the watch" district convention.

  they were startling enough for me to make notes verbatim.

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  Hi Jgnat

  Long time no see. How are you doing?

  I thought maybe the word "some" everyone is noticing might be a typo and you meant "none". JW's have never taught that they would be personally involved in the elimination.

  Cog
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  Ugly Sisters

  by XPeterX in

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  o.k i have noticed that most female jws are ugly.and by ugly i mean ugly.they won't work out,they are fat and won't go on a diet (some female teens won't even shave their legs),they neglect their appearance/body in general.any opinions?.

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  p.s many will eventually get fat after marriage.

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  People can't help it if they were born ugly. Of course, I'm a fat, ugly chick, so you would expect me to say that!
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  Which do we choose and Why?

  by Terry in

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  religion does as it is told.

  science questions, tests, proves and moves forward.. .

  religion gives its answers without listening to your questions.. .

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  I'd settle for a loud voice out of heaven saying, "Hey earthlings, psst, up here, it's god and I'm pissed off", then hurl a few lightening bolts down at very specific people I don't like, (pedophiles would be good). Bonus points to God, if there is no clouds or thunderstorm actually going on at the time anyway.
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  Governing Body/FDS Question

  by Inkie in

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  jw's say that all the anointed are members of, or make up, the faith and discreet slave ("fds").

  and they say that from among them a little group form the governing body.

  can you help out here in a bit of understanding?

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  Ha!

  You beat me to it mindmelda. I thought I was the only one who thought of those old FDS feminine deoderant spray commercials everytime I saw those letters!

  While we're on the subject, what was up with that stuff? Is it still on the market? Call me weird, but ladies, I think if your feminine area smells that bad, instead of spraying a can of deoderant on it, you might just want to take a bath or a shower?
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  Which do we choose and Why?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  religion does as it is told.

  science questions, tests, proves and moves forward.. .

  religion gives its answers without listening to your questions.. .

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  I have never heard the "God delusion" described with that analogy before Terry, but it really fits well with what the latest brain research has shown about brain patterning and how beliefs are formed. Plus it gets added points for being very funny!

  Gubberningbody: Your statements about scientists not being "real" and "thinking too much of themselves" is really just an ad hominen attack to try and discredit them as a group, and not a logical argument at all.

  The definition of a real scientist is this: Someone who does research using the scientific method. There are many researchers today, using the scientific method, which is conducting research experiments, gathering factual information that can be measured, repeated, or falsified and drawing logical conclusions from that information. And yes, much of it is very technical. So what? I'll tell you what. That makes them "real" scientists.

  And unless you are a psychic mind reader, you really have no idea what that entire group of scientists thinks of themselves, do you?

  Now as for your definition of a "real" Christian, I'll leave that for you to figure out, but you won't be able to use the scientific method because science is not as yet able to determine what someone who supposedly lived 2000 years ago, really thought and felt and taught, since he left no written record of his thoughts, feelings and teachings for posterity. All you'll have to go on is third party testimonials (heresay) and we all know how reliable that is!
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  "...cannot be condoned under ANY circumstance"

  by parakeet in

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  this is going around the internet.

  enjoy.. "on her radio show, dr. laura schlensinger (a popular conservatve radio talk-show host) said that homosexuality is an abomination according to the bible leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

  the following is an open letter to dr. laura, penned by james m. kauffman, ed.d.. dear dr. laura:.

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  Of course they are, it's just that some opinions are obviously so much stupider than others!
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  hello, ladies......

  by chickpea in

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  cognizant dissident

  handsome, intelligent, well-spoken, powerful, family man, ...oh no, women don't find those qualities attractive at all....